Transcript for a2-l03

Hello everybody.0:10

OK, technology sorted out. Possibly and possibly sorted out0:12

because0:17

although these electrodes are being recorded on X360, I am not0:19

100% sure which microphone they are taking things from. It may0:24

be that one, it may be this one. When I've listened to the0:28

recordings they're a bit faint, but I can't find a button to0:33

switch the input, so we'll just have to hope for the best. But0:37

anyway, I am making separate recordings of these so we can0:42

fall back on those if necessary. No, the plan today is to go0:46

through the the, the, the last section of the axioms bit we got0:50

last time we got as far as,0:55

uh,0:60

as this question, this rather mysterious question about people1:05

moving, moving past each other. Plans to finish off this chapter1:10

go straight into chapter 3, and the plan is to spend lectures1:14

3-4 and five on chapter 3:00 and 4:00, so that should be about1:18

the right length of time. That's the goal. Anyway, we'll see what1:22

happens in actuality,1:26

so the ruining bit, so, so on to the the last part of Chapter 2.1:29

The remaining bit here is there's not a lot to say about1:34

it in a way, but the important bit is the consequence of the1:38

second axiom.1:42

Before I go, I go, I go into that. I want to just1:45

recapitulate this. This quick question that we asked we1:48

address at the very end of last time because it is so very1:51

important.1:54

So if you recall, I have a friend moving past me a rocket1:55

and rush for 6 speed, and relativistic speed means1:59

something moving at some appreciable fraction of the2:01

speed of light.2:04

Observe her watch be taking slower than mine for reasons2:06

that we haven't come to yet but which we will get to very2:09

shortly.2:12

She examines my watches I at the same time and the question was2:15

it's taken faster or slower than hers and asked you to think2:18

about that a little bit and then I came back and said that the2:22

answer is my watch. We're taking slower than hers,2:26

so her watch is ticking slower than mine, and my watch is2:30

ticking slower than hers.2:33

How can that be2:35

the we'll come to the reasons why that is not insane in a2:38

moment, but the point is that you don't even have to go on and2:42

talk about next chapter2:46

or the second of the of the of the second section of relativity2:49

to know the answer to that. Because the first axiom says you2:52

can't tell you're moving.2:55

And if one of us could discover that the others watch was moving2:57

slow in an absolute sense, then we could tell that we were the3:00

one that would move,3:03

or vice versa, or whatever, like that. So just by itself, the3:06

first axiom tells you that something weird happening here.3:08

I mean, extra weird, but it's really more than the usual, more3:11

than the obvious weirdness happening here.3:14

I'm sorry, we'll come back to that. What will we return to3:18

That? Definitely. But I wanted to impress upon you the last3:20

thing I said last time,3:23

and this is also a very important remark.3:28

This is Einstein's version of the of Galileo's principle of3:34

relativity and the3:40

following on from.3:43

But he says, and also there's a second postulate3:45

who's only apparently only apparently irreconcilable with3:49

the. With the former, they appear to be inconsistent with3:52

each other. When you look at them first, the he's saying that3:54

they're only apparently inconsistent with each other.3:57

The light is always propagated in empty space with the definite4:01

velocity C which is independent of the state of motion of the4:03

emitting body.4:06

We have to understand what that means.4:08

There's a number of things4:11

I could be going.4:14

All the other more, there are a number of things that the speed4:17

of light could mean.4:20

It could mean if I have a torch and a shame it against the wall,4:22

how fast does the light leave? It could mean how fast did the4:26

light go through empty space like like like water waves on4:29

water they have a speed and that speed is relative to the to the4:33

to the water.4:37

OK. Or the speed of light could mean4:38

how fast is light moving? Quite nice. Very nice when I see it,4:42

or when I detect it, or when I do an experiment which involves4:46

light.4:49

These are all three different things. In principle, that light4:50

could mean4:53

and the first two. They both seem fairly obvious.4:54

It's the third one that is the case4:58

the speed of light. The the the major speed of light is the5:01

speed of light that5:04

when you detect it, when it enters your your eye or your5:06

camera or your physical apparatus, and it's that that's5:10

independent of the state of motion. So if I am going on a5:14

train going through a station at hospital light and I shine a5:18

light forward,5:23

then it'll leave5:24

and it'll leave my my my torch at the speed of light.5:27

He didn't think the 2nd, 2nd and anyone on the on the on the on5:31

the train who measures the speed of that light. However, we'll5:35

get three to 10/8 metres a second and someone on the5:39

station platform5:42

who sees this light being shown from the train5:45

to them to their eyes on the station platform, If they5:49

measure the speed of light, they will see it not as at the speed5:51

of light plus 1/2 plus the speed of the train. They'll see it as5:54

just the speed of light.5:57

So bizarrely what what the second action was saying is that5:59

speeds don't add the way you expect when you get when you're6:03

talking about light. But more generally when you talk things6:06

needs people like,6:10

so I'm this shining the torch forward to shining it into the6:11

eyes of someone on the on the station platform. It's not it's6:15

not like plus the train. It's just the speed of light, and6:19

there's something is happening there6:22

that makes those speeds not add in the way you expect.6:25

So I'm. I'm, I'm. I'm adding up weirdness here.6:29

I think it is. Is that having a say though? Because6:34

a mic6:39

I see,6:44

right? That's not helpful.6:46

I'll try.6:50

I'll try there.6:53

That's not really working, is it?6:59

Well, touching it. The wire,7:04

you think. The wire.7:07

I'll try touching myself some differently.7:15

Perfect.7:22

OK, so I'm adding up. Weirdness is here, and the resolution is7:25

coming soon. I promise,7:29

and so the the point here is that that that is basically all7:31

I have to say about the 2nd axiom. It's strange, but go with7:35

it for the moment.7:39

The the last point that is important to mention in the7:42

in the notes is just. I'll I'll point you towards section 221 on7:48

the idea of synchronising clocks. I'm not gonna say much7:52

about it7:55

because it's there as a sort of pre placed footnote.7:57

So when you think start thinking this through and go hang on. But8:02

how do we have the same time everywhere? Because remember I8:07

said that when we make observations on the station8:11

platform of the train moving past, all the observers have8:14

synchronised clocks.8:17

You know they're all, they all know where they are on the8:20

station platform because there's a scale marked long station8:22

platform8:24

and all the watch the synchronised because that's how8:25

we do it and you may think how and how do we organise that is8:28

that is there is there a problem there and no there isn't there's8:31

process mentioned in the notes section 21, just for when you8:35

start worrying about that go back and have a look at that. It8:38

all works out,8:41

but it's not. But it would distract us to, you know, step8:44

through it. Just here. Just here.8:48

OK, that is8:51

so the. So just to be absolutely clear, what is the key, the key8:56

points here, there are only two postulates we're going to talk9:00

about, only two physical statements, 2 new things about9:04

the universe you didn't know and all the rest is in a sense9:08

logic. It's the deductions.9:11

I mean that the physical statements, not logical9:15

statements. You know, they could, you can imagine them9:17

being otherwise. That's what I mean by physical sickness,9:19

garlic, principal activity. You can tell you're moving.9:22

Push it to the speed of light of the same value in all reference9:25

frames,9:29

and9:30

I'll just mention in passing that there are a number of a9:32

number of different things that postulate 2 could be. There's a9:34

number of alternatives there.9:37

One could spend a lot of time talking about this, but that is9:40

the probably the most useful way to what wanted me to make9:43

progress with. So before I go, I go on while I'm changing the9:47

slides,9:50

are there any puddles that are, that are that are outstanding9:52

there9:55

talk to me.9:56

I don't. I mean,10:02

I think it's possible for you to think, OK this is all10:05

transparent, clear why making so much of A fuss about this,10:07

that's perfectly reasonable.10:11

Some of the puzzles are maybe yet to come and maybe over10:14

egging this. It's weird bit but but don't worry. Just you10:17

and10:22

what we're going to talk about quite a lot, the idea of10:25

simultaneity.10:28

That's the question of two things happening at the same10:29

time. And again, why do you think that was a big issue? The10:33

reason it's a big issue is because there's a variety of10:36

types of confusion10:41

that you that that that that happened if you don't think10:43

about these things in exactly the right way. So what what I'm10:46

doing here is sort of training you to think about things of10:49

this type.10:53

We would be in the right way to avoid confusion10:54

and a lot of the the you you will see on the Internet. I10:57

think Oh my God relatively wrong because X or someone to come up11:01

with a new theory which which doesn't involve Rushton dilation11:05

or something because X. In almost all cases, these11:09

confusions, these wrong11:12

accounts of why relatives is wrong, come from not11:15

understanding11:18

the importance of thinking in the right way about simultaneous11:19

events. So that's where the confusion comes from and it's11:22

again, it seems like we're making more of a fuss about this11:25

that we want, but it is terribly important11:28

objectives.11:31

So this is a tree garage11:34

just11:38

either sitting in this inflation or we're just thinking about it11:40

from the point of view of people in the train carriage. There's11:44

two observers,11:47

one each. End11:48

and there are light flash in the centre, like a strobe or11:51

something whatever. A flash of light, an event,11:56

and the light goes off. No directions. In particular. It12:01

goes off toward the front of the tree of shrinkage and towards12:04

the back of the garage,12:07

and it takes 3 units of time12:10

to get there. What are these units? We'll come to that, but12:14

they're very small units. Clearly it all takes 3. It takes12:18

three of them to get flight travel, say 3 metres, then12:22

then that's the time on the clock of the person this end,12:28

the 10:00 on the person at the end. And there's absolutely12:30

nothing surprising about what I've just said there or what you12:33

can see there, because this light flash is in the middle of12:36

the carriage,12:39

so it takes the same amount of time to get to the to each end.12:40

So both the people, each end will record the same time, the12:45

same time of arrival time of the light at the end. Nothing12:50

complicated there,12:54

no.12:60

Let's imagine the same thing happening, but this time not13:01

from the point of view of the people in the13:05

carriage train carriage, but from the point of view of people13:08

standing on the station platform watching this train go past.13:12

How does that? How is that different?13:16

Get the top one. There,13:19

that's the late flashing,13:21

Then a, you know, visual world leader.13:25

The light has13:28

travelled a bit, a little bit forward and backwards and the13:30

train characters moved forward because it's moving13:33

a little while later,13:37

the late has travelled further out from the the, the, the, the,13:39

the flash and the13:43

indeed, and at the same time the train characters move forward.13:45

So at this point the light flashes. Hit had arrived at the13:49

end of the back of the train carriage13:52

and the you remember Einstein's remark. All our measurements of13:56

time are remarkable simultaneous events.14:00

So here the light arriving at the end at the back of the train14:04

carriage and that reservoir of what showing three our14:07

simultaneous events they have. They are true events which14:10

happen in the same place at the same time. It's like 2 cars14:13

crashing.14:17

There's no ambiguity about that14:18

so the late so so we have to know this argument is saying we14:21

have. It has to be the case that this observer what shows three14:24

when the light arrives at the14:28

and the. The way we've drawn this has used the second, the14:31

the the 2nd postulate. Because you see here,14:35

the light isn't moving forwards faster than it's moving14:39

backwards. It's not getting, it's not picking up some extra14:42

speed from the speed of the train14:45

is moving forward at the speed of light,14:48

which is why14:50

the back runs into it before the light going forward has reached14:52

the front.14:56

If you if you think of that a Galilean world,14:58

then the late moving forward would have picked up some extra15:01

speed of the train, and so it would catch up at the front. 2nd15:04

axiom says that's not what happens.15:07

The light arrives at the back, but the light hasn't arrived at15:10

the front yet.15:13

So if we were to sort of take a photograph of this moving train,15:14

at the instant when this arrives at the back,15:18

the watch that we can see, so we can see the window of the train15:22

carriage and we can see that the servers watch that can't be15:26

written 3 yet15:29

because it hasn't got there yet. It has yet to arrive, so has yet15:30

you got as far as three. In other words,15:34

although in the train carriage,15:39

the back watch, but the back was ever reading back observers15:44

watched reading three and the front observers watched reading15:46

three are simultaneous events. They happen at the same time15:49

coordinate15:51

in the station platform.15:53

The back was ever watch reading three and this front was15:56

watching something like one. They are simultaneous events.15:59

They happen at the same time coordinate because you imagine16:03

this photograph taken of the train that goes past. In other16:06

words, simultaneity16:09

is relative.16:11

These events are simultaneous in this frame.16:17

These events three, one or similar things in this frame.16:20

Depending on16:23

what frame you're in,16:26

things are simultaneous at different places.16:28

Are relative. There's no, there's no there's no There's no16:32

question about the the the the light arriving at the back and16:35

that clock reading 3 because they happened at the same place.16:37

That's the two cars, you know. There's no, there's no16:41

ambiguity. Two cars crashing16:43

but two vents which are separate?16:45

It depends.16:50

You're at this point allowed to go gasp. OK,16:52

but we have this is a straightforward reduction from16:56

the two17:00

most of the the the the 2nd axiom.17:03

OK, that's a bit strange.17:10

So now imagine you know everyone goes back to where they started17:13

off and we we we now have two trains going through the station17:16

at the same time17:19

at the same rustic speed going in opposite directions and we17:21

can see both of them. So the top one that's the the the trains17:24

heading off in in that direction and and by the same argument17:28

there was ever Barbara for the back there was ever afraid at17:32

the front there three and one are simultaneous in our frame.17:36

But we'll set things up so that at the same time with actually17:40

passed through the train station there's another train Yvette and17:44

70 who going to do the same thing but in the other direction17:47

and of course it's quite symmetrical. So in that case,17:51

the reader observer,17:54

the watcher showing three, the front observer Yvette, what we17:56

showing one.17:59

OK. So that's that makes sense.18:01

Right now I've got to make sure I see the next bit in the right18:05

order.18:09

Umm,18:10

because it's possible to confuse things18:13

and18:18

keep,18:19

and we're going to pause a moment and take another18:21

a set of observations just a short fraction later. With both18:25

trains have moved slightly onwards and there's some18:30

observer in the top carriage who can see,18:33

who can see. Deputies watch at that point and we're going to18:38

leave that? There for the moment. But what we're going to18:42

assume by the way is that these two trains are going past like18:46

that18:50

we thought the the very close to each other so that Elaine or18:51

whatever is you know knows glued up against the the train window18:56

and can seize everybody's watch as if as if she were Co located19:01

with it. So these are in principle at the same position.19:06

OK, so there's no time flight stuff19:10

to hold on to that. Thought for more.19:14

And they're a little bit later19:17

and the trains have moved further, further, further19:19

forward and Barbara and Zebedee see each other's clocks and19:22

they're both showing 11.19:25

OK, there's that. No.19:28

And I said, what's in the order?19:33

So everyone calms down,19:42

come back together, have a cup of tea and discuss their19:46

results.19:49

And19:51

Barbara19:54

says I I saw the front of the other train19:55

at time 3.19:59

And Fred says, oh that's interesting, I saw the back of20:04

that train at time 1.20:07

So but the about time three,20:10

you know when Barbara saw the front of the train at time 3,20:12

the back of the other carriage was well past Fred.20:16

And if you remember last time I talked to how we would measure20:21

the length of of a of a moving train if that bench we're moving20:24

it or something we're moving through here at high speed. The20:27

way we measure the length of the moving thing.20:30

If everyone had you know we're looking at the watch and I'd20:33

appreciate a pre arranged time they looked up and if they see20:36

the the the the the the the the the the train in front of them20:39

they they write that down and we should we we measure the length20:42

of the moving object by asking did you see the end of the20:45

train. You saw the end of the train. Subtract 1 distance from20:47

one coordinate from the other, and that's the length of the20:50

moving of the moving train.20:53

That's our procedure for measuring the length of a moving20:55

object.20:57

But look what happened here at time 3.20:59

Barbara Singh21:02

for another cage was was level with me and Fred, said Ohh at21:04

time 3 the front those guys was was passed to me.21:07

We don't exactly weird but it was certainly passed trade. In21:11

other words, at time 3, the front of the carriage21:13

was levelled in the server down over here.21:17

In other words, the people in the top carriage21:20

have measured the other carriage, the bottom carriage,21:23

to be shorter than theirs.21:27

OK.21:30

And21:33

umm,21:36

the next thing they can do is, you know, they'll park that for21:39

the moment,21:42

Fred remarks.21:43

I I noticed the deputies watch was 2 units faster than mine.21:46

Ohh, they they're what they watched a faster than ours. They21:49

watched a set ahead of ours,21:52

but Barbara goes21:55

no, because when I looked as if he's watch, you know, colocation21:58

with me watch wasn't faster at all.22:02

So Fred has seen deputies watched by two units fast.22:06

Barbara sees deputies watched not be fast at all.22:09

In other words, these watches going slow,22:12

they have and that's a measurement. It's not, it's not22:16

some weird optical illusion the the point of all this, you know,22:18

making an observation local to you and blah blah blah that that22:21

is saying we are making observations here measurements.22:24

It's not just this is not optical illusions.22:27

So22:30

the people of the top top carriage have measured the22:31

bottom carriage to be shorter than theirs and this clock to be22:34

moving slowly.22:38

But again I see this. Hope everything here is symmetrical22:40

through the exactly the same.22:45

Like, no argument22:47

could be made by Yvette and Liberty. So they would measure22:48

the top carriage to be moving slower, to be shorter than22:52

theirs,22:55

its length to be contracted, and they would measure Barbara's22:57

clock to be initially ahead of theirs and later in time. So23:00

they would measure Barbara's watch to be moving slower than23:04

theirs,23:08

and it has to be and and and it has to be the case. This isn't23:09

just a symmetry symmetry argument that has to be the case23:12

by the 1st, 1st axiom, because if one of them could make could23:14

see that the other was absolutely shorter than, they23:17

could tell they're moving.23:19

This has to be symmetric,23:21

and this is so. So what's happening here is that both of23:23

these sets of observers measure the other to be less contracted23:26

and both of them measure the other to be time dilated. Let's23:30

contraction things get shorter. Time dilation clocks go slow.23:34

Umm,23:39

and you're you. And that's another thing you are quite23:41

permitted to be to to to gasp and stretch your eyes at.23:44

So a Porter moment. There are the other outstanding puddles23:52

that that probably can't be right because23:56

you will reread this and you'll it'll percolate into your24:02

percolation.24:05

So24:07

which of the following statements are true, referring24:09

to the preservers at the front of the train carriage?24:12

So Fred and Bubbles watch the mission synchronised with each24:16

other and measured their frame.24:19

Friend bubble watches. Do you synchronise with the clocks in24:21

the other frame?24:23

Fred and Barbara measure the garage to get shorter when24:24

they're moving.24:26

True or false. The the first statement all those states true.24:30

Obviously it's false.24:35

Second statement24:38

very much always synchronised with the clocks and the other24:39

carriage. True.24:42

False.24:44

Friend Bob Major. The case to get shorter when they're moving24:47

true.24:50

False.24:52

Good24:54

excellent mother I think the the the majority of the the come24:57

from majority of everyone's got that right. So we won't deny25:00

other than say yes the whole thing about because friend25:04

Barbara aren't mutually aren't mutually moving25:07

the the the synchronizer watched by a procedure which we can talk25:11

about and this dating advice there's no complication there.25:14

You can hold on to that thought when you thinking through these25:17

things.25:20

And yes, the whole point of this is, is that there's a difference25:21

in the measurement of the passage of time.25:24

And yes, it cannot be the case that Fred and Barbara measure25:28

the character you shorter when they're moving A because that25:32

would violate productivity25:35

be because as far as they're concerned, they're not.25:38

They're standing and shrinkage, OK, happens, the world is moving25:42

past them at high speed. But nothing, everything that happens25:45

when you're stationary has to happen in the train characters25:49

as well. So that can't happen.25:52

Excellent.25:54

I should be going faster.25:57

Key points, right? We'll move on25:60

and talk about the light clock. Now this isn't a useful clock,26:03

but it's a way of materialising the passage of time in a way26:07

which depends on the moving speed of light or the speed of26:11

light. So this is our light clock.26:15

It consists of26:18

when we were flashes26:20

a mirror at the top and observer back at the bottom again and and26:22

one tick of the lake clock is flash buying detected OK26:26

and the person who's standing by the lake clock so that they are26:31

Co located with the with the flash rather the code with the26:35

flash. They have a stopwatch, they see the late flash start26:38

the stopwatch, the late travels a distance. L bounces off the26:41

miracles back troubles since 2L and they stop the stopwatch so26:44

they they time how long it takes for that in their framework. In26:48

the watch of the person on the on the on the watch, the person26:51

standing by the by the sector.26:55

Nothing complicated there. So so delta T prime is 2 / C distance26:58

between time, distance, speed times time is another thing that27:02

you can hold on to.27:06

Now imagine that late clock is moving or had to rise for 627:11

speed or treating carried through station blah blah.27:14

And now what is being observed by someone who by a set of27:18

observers27:23

and including this one on the station platform.27:25

The light flashes,27:29

but the time makes it across the to the side, the leap of of the27:32

light clock. The whole thing has moved, moved along because it's27:36

moving at a significant fraction of the speed of light and so but27:39

it bounces off the middle at the top. It's bouncing off the27:43

middle. When it's over here,27:46

he's moved on the track a bit and bouncy comes back and27:48

eventually rise back at you know27:51

where it started more or less in that frame. And the same being27:54

observed by someone on the station platform.27:57

But again, second axiom,28:02

the light moves28:06

at to be late.28:08

It doesn't. It doesn't get a speed boost from the fact that28:10

the light the flashlight here is moving seems speed, but it28:14

travels a longer distance,28:17

so the time it takes to go28:20

it's good. That longer distance is.28:25

It is28:29

speed times time.28:32

It seems that that that time so that so that triangle from the28:35

play here is C dot t / 228:41

is the total time it takes divided by two.28:44

And if the whole thing is moving at28:47

at speed V,28:50

then that distance from there to here it of course28:51

we just does this be template. So that thing is, it's half V28:55

dot of. TI29:00

thought it was the theorem.29:04

Umm,29:07

would you to?29:09

And29:11

yeah, I thought one of the only one of these recorded on E36029:14

and I don't know which one it is. So just have to29:17

hope it's the right one.29:25

Ohh, how are you? Hello29:30

So what we have is29:46

and29:52

see delta t / 2 V delta t / 229:54

that distance is L30:02

Now why is it L primed?30:04

Does that I've just written only that L the same as in in the30:08

light clock when we30:13

was stationary. So there isn't an LNL primed. You may or may30:18

not have noticed.30:22

And that's because that doesn't change. And we can think we can30:25

work out that it can't change by using the principle relativity.30:30

Because imagine30:35

I've said that the length contraction along the direction30:38

of motion.30:40

Perhaps there's length contraction perpendicular to the30:42

direction of motion.30:44

OK,30:47

let's go with that for a moment. Say you're you're you're driving30:48

along, you're in this on the on the stream and see30:53

the the length contraction, see length traction exists and it30:58

had the effect of making that train actually shorter.31:02

The trick then the training wheels will fall into the train31:06

tracks and the whole thing will crash. That's a very bad thing31:11

because there's been a length contraction that way.31:15

But from the point of view of the people on the train, it's31:20

the world that's moving past them.31:23

So the the the the train tracks are the ones that are moving, so31:27

they're going in the other direction. But if there's a31:30

perpendicular length contraction then what will happen is the31:32

train track, the sleepers on the train will get shorter31:35

and the and the distance between the tracks will get shorter. So31:38

the train wheels will end up outside. The train track will31:42

crash, it will be it will be a crash. But in one case because31:45

from one point of view it's because the the train actual31:48

have we have got shorter and they end up inside the train the31:51

train tracks and the other view is the sleepers be shorter. The31:54

train wheels have ended up outside. You can't have both.31:58

It's not possible for them to be both32:02

and that argument depended on the assumption that perhaps32:04

there was a a perpendicular length contract32:06

to the camper.32:08

So that's L and not L prime.32:11

OK, so Pythagoras theorem we have. Well first of all from the32:15

simple case32:22

and the detector that we know that32:25

2L is equal to32:29

see32:32

delta T prime. That's where delta T prime is the time that32:33

the round trip time on the on the watch of the person standing32:36

by this.32:39

So now we have C32:41

delta t ^2 / 2 ^2 plus is equal to L ^2 plus32:44

the Delta t32:52

/ 2 ^2. Just Pythagoras theorem.32:54

So or in other words, C ^2 delta T ^2 is equal to two L ^2 +32:59

D delta33:09

square.33:13

But we know what L is, so that's C33:16

debt primed squared33:22

plus C ^2 delta T ^2.33:25

I'm going to, you know, just ignore the cancel out the seas33:29

and we end up. So I've written the wrong thing. I've said33:32

that's V ^2. Why did no one stop me?33:36

Eastwood.33:39

All right, I need V ^2, Delta t ^2,33:41

v ^2, Delta t ^233:49

or Delta t ^2 is equal to33:53

Delta T prime squared plus v ^2 / C ^233:56

go to t ^2. I'm rather middle of this of this algebra, but34:02

therefore delta T is equal to34:07

and you know 30 primary equal to Delta T 1 -, V ^2 / C ^2.34:10

It's about 1/2 square root of.34:21

So this simple construction has allowed us to work out34:24

the relationship between the time between these two clicks as34:29

measured in the on the watch of the person.34:32

Umm,34:36

conversation platform34:38

and the time between You seem to Click to events on the watch of34:40

the person in the in the train and that they are different.34:44

And we're going to write that as Delta T is equal to34:52

gamma,34:56

Delta T primed where gamma is equal to 1 -, E ^2 / C ^2,34:58

tomato half. And you'll see that factor appearing again and again35:05

and again.35:09

So we've already got a35:12

mathematical expression for the time dilation effect,35:16

just for the two axioms and a bit of ancient Greek geometry.35:19

It was aghast at that35:28

Question35:31

Time in the stationary no dirty prime. That's the time on the35:34

watch of the person who's standing by the light clock. So,35:38

so, so, so, so the light clock is, is on the on the train, the35:41

standing by there with, with, with, with, with with with35:45

their. Their.35:48

So so so this in standard configuration35:50

is X prime X.35:54

That's the the frame moving at speed V The light clock is35:59

is there and36:07

delta T prime in that frame. And these two events are36:10

because the key in this in in in this room standard figuration,36:16

meaning that the **** prime axis are lined up together and the36:21

clocks are synchronised to to zero at the point where the that36:27

the the the the the frames.36:31

We'll call it heated,36:36

as you can check at this point. This is a good prompt for you to36:39

go back and look at the section in chapter one which said36:42

exactly what the standard configuration was.36:45

OK.36:50

Yeah.36:55

Um,36:59

so I mean and and and. This is essentially that that question.37:03

When discussing the lake clock we saw the phrase one tickets37:09

time at delta T seconds.37:12

So37:14

that which is that what your person on the train the watch of37:15

person in the platform edge station, the station clock or37:18

the OR the temperature of the photon of light? Who would say37:21

it was watching a person on the train?37:24

Who was the Was the watch person on the platform edge?37:27

Who was it? Was the station clock37:31

who received the time attacks the fortune of late37:33

Who hadn't put the hands up yet?37:37

OK, I'll do that again. Put your hand up at something. Guess it37:40

doesn't matter. I'm not keeping track of who says what. No one37:43

keeps track track. I'll just make some sort of commitment to37:46

yourself but we'll which it is who say with the watch of a37:49

person on the train.37:52

OK, who was the? It was the watch of some of the platform37:54

age37:56

who was there with the station clock.37:57

Who is he? With the time of the Fortune of Light37:60

chat, you never tell them why. You're right.38:03

OK,38:53

so asking that again,38:58

doesn't she? Doesn't in that construction I remember we're39:01

talking about is39:05

the setup here.39:07

There's tea. There is the water person on the train,39:09

the watcher personal at the platform edge,39:13

the station clock.39:16

What time is your fortune of late?39:18

OK, it's the watch of a person on the platform edge39:21

because, and this is, it's always very important.39:25

It doesn't matter what what his tea, what's tea framed the all39:30

the frames are equally good.39:34

But then, This is why when you're working through problems39:37

like exercise like this, you always have to say39:40

T is the time in this frame, T prime in the time in this frame.39:44

You have to be explicit about it because you know all options are39:47

are OK. In principle there's a sensible way of doing it, but39:50

the sensible ways of legitimate too.39:52

So the way I set this up,39:55

I could have set up a different way. The way I did set it up was39:57

that delta T was the same with observers, plural on the, on the40:01

on the station.40:04

Does TT Prime were the the watch at the time when the watch this40:07

person standing by the light clock and that's moving and the40:10

different times we could define them differently. We didn't in40:13

that we set them up40:17

and it's not40:20

on the station clock. Can anyone see why it isn't the time on the40:23

station clock?40:26

It's not like the same reference frame. Well, it's not in the40:27

same session. Yes, that's it. It is in the same reference frame.40:30

So the station and the station clock are not moving with40:34

respect to each other,40:37

so the decision from clock is fixed to the station. So it's40:39

going to be synchronised with the with delta T with all the40:43

observers who are at rest in the station but the one we are40:47

looking at the the, the the the the the person who's who's, who40:52

notes40:56

we are we we are recording in Delta T is is the the watch of a40:57

person who is standing by the bit where the the light came41:01

back to the bottom bottom like light lock41:04

that is simultaneous in their frame with everyone else in that41:08

frame. But it's their watch we're looking at. They are the41:11

observer that matters.41:15

So that's why a question there, Why does it matter so much that41:17

the41:20

ohh right.41:22

That's a very good question. Why does it matter? And I think it41:24

matters. It matters because41:29

if we all would make sure that's the only person we're talking41:35

about, then we know exactly what we mean by the time of the41:37

event.41:40

It would be possible to see that and look at the look at the41:42

station clock at the same time and you could walk it out. But41:45

it would involve do also extra sums about the light travel time41:49

and worrying about what what simultaneous and what's not. So41:52

the person who's at the whose Co located with the event in41:56

question, the event being the like getting back to the41:59

detector. There's no ambiguity there. There's no question about42:02

there's no light travel time. There's no question about there42:05

are complications about simultaneity because we've said42:08

things which are42:12

contains the same position automated. Absolutely. So it42:12

just it it ties up with the boys. There's no there's no42:15

there's no quibbles at this point. So and that's why we have42:18

this, this profligate collection of observers everywhere. So that42:21

anything that happens in our frame, we've gotten Observer Co42:24

located and it's their watch we pay attention to.42:27

So we could do otherwise, but we don't. So be it. But I think42:31

it's important to to to to to to to to mention. And that last42:34

one. A bit of a red herring,42:38

because it's hard even to talk about the time of photon. A42:41

photon doesn't have a clock.42:44

I mean, you know, in a trivial sense, but also because it's42:46

moving, actually atmosphere, light, everything goes a bit,42:49

you know, 1 / 0 at that point. So we end up just not really42:52

being able to say anything sensible about this time42:55

attached to a photon because there's a sort of 1 / 0 problem.42:57

Basically when it comes down to it, it's not mathematically42:60

sensible thing to talk about43:03

blah blah.43:08

So that's what I wrote. I scribbled down, written down43:10

that the time the moving frame is or the same in the quarter43:14

stationary frame is gamma times the time in the in the moving43:19

frame or or whatever. And when you do exercises and you will be43:23

doing exercises43:28

right, there's something like that,43:30

but you will lose marks if you are not clear what you mean by43:33

T&T frame43:36

because it can be other either way up. And the thing you43:37

remember is that it's called timed deletion. Moving clocks43:41

run slow and you will work out. Do I multiply divide based on43:45

that?43:49

I mean, really, I suppose I should write delta T prime43:51

equals delta T over gamma and let's say that that factor of43:54

gamma you'll see again and again and again enough that you won't43:56

even have to memorise it. You write down so many times it will43:59

just stick in your head44:02

and that's what it looks like as a function. And you can see it's44:04

pretty close to to one for most speeds, from zero up to the44:09

speed of light.44:14

It's only it only gets to two at about just under .9 of the speed44:16

of light. So, and This is why we never we never noticed it before44:21

the 19 century, because it doesn't make any difference44:25

until you're 90% spotlight, at which point it could have been.44:29

So it shoots up to Infinity at at this beautiful44:34

so that you have that picture in your head.44:38

He points44:43

right.44:45

Um,44:46

now that is. I've gone through through that rather quickly44:48

actually,44:51

and44:52

more quickly than I worried about, so44:54

it's not worth starting on Chapter 4. But I I will post44:58

chapter 4 promptly45:02

and in the last couple of minutes rather than hurry on45:04

other other questions I think are really good questions like45:08

that, that, that, that that are45:12

boiling over in your head.45:16

OK then45:21

think of some.45:23

I'll post the notes, have a look at them for next time. I I think45:25

it's quite important to to to go through these, the the, the the45:29

notes afterwards and make sure they make sense because it's45:32

sort of thing where ohh, yes, it made perfect sense and then in45:36

half an hour you'll explain to someone else and we'll go. I45:39

have no idea what's going on, so it's just it needs to settle45:43